This announcement is from UGA. Our family had a great time on this tour last year and I know you'll enjoy it if you can go this year. It is the one day of the year you can get into Cache Cave, a fascinating place where lots of pioneers had carved their names.
The Mormon Trails Chapter of the Utah Genealogical Association is
going to host two bus tours this year along the original pioneer trail
coming into the Salt Lake Valley. The tours will run concurrently
begining at 7:30am from the Henefer Park and will end at Henefer Park at
noon where lunch will be served.
Tour One is through the Echo
Canyon trail traveled by 80,000 Mormons immigrants on their way to the
Salt Lake City Valley. Learn the stories of the pioneers and explore
where they camped and where many of them carved their names on the wall
of Cache Cave. Other sites on the tour include: Castle Rock, Hanging
Rock, Billboard Bluff, the Mormon Fortifications, Mormon Vanguard Camp
(July 16, 1847) and Weber Station. You’ll also see Echo City, Historic
Echo Church & Museum, Needles and Witches rock formations,
Supplement Hills, Monument Rock, Pony Express Monuments, and Lincoln
Highway.
This exciting tour will be given by John Eldredge author
of "The Illustrated Emigrants’ Guide". My family and I took this tour
last year and found Eldredge’s historical knowledge remarkable and his
ability to tell about the artifacts among the ledges and emigrant trail
amazing. I learned all sorts of things about the pioneer's trek into
the valley.
Then, new this year is the Tour Two: the East Canyon
trail Tour. On this section of the trail you can see rocks that still
have rut marks made by the slipping of wagon wheels more that 160 years
ago. This was the hardest terrain the pioneers crossed and it is filled
with some of the saddest stories. Some of the sites you will see are:
East Mountain, Pratt’s Pass Camp, Spring Creek Station, Wagon Ruts,
Dixie Pony Express Station, Martin’s Cove of Utah, Broad Hollow Trail
Marker, Canyon Creek Crossing, Bauchmann's Pony Express Station, the
Carson House and the Daughters of the Utah Pioneer Cabin and Museum.
Your guide for this exciting tour will be Linda Smith, Morgan County Historian. This tour ends at the DUP Cabin and Museum.
Date: Saturday June 16th, 2012
Place to Meet: John's Park in Henefer
Time: 7:30 am
COST: $25 for UGA Members for complete tour and lunch
$30 for non UGA Members for complete tour and lunch
$20 for UGA Members or $25 for non UGA members for tour without lunch
To register for the tour, go to www.ugagenealogy.com. Deadline for enrollment is May 22, 2012.
Lunch: French Dip Sandwiches, salads, chips, brownies and ice cream.
Saturday, May 5, 2012
Tuesday, April 24, 2012
Grandma's Flak Jacket
I received a wonderful email last week after my SCGS webinar, "Grandma's Flak Jacket: Why your children need you to do genealogy." The email illustrates so beautifully how nourishing family history is, even when there are hard things going on in your family. Jo-Ann said I could share the letter with you, so here it is. I hope it inspires you as much as it inspired me.
Hi Janet,
I attended your webinar last night (am the one who's husband's father was one of 22 children... he's also Swedish). I've attended probably a dozen different webinars over the past year and most have been very good, but yours was different. I've not felt compelled to contact a presenter afterwards, but this time I have to. Your talk touched me like none of the others have.
I come from a very dysfunctional family, with alcoholism, drug addiction, sadism and lots of irrational (and unsavory) behaviours. Thusly, there was never any closeness and no one ever talked about family history. I am 56 years old and about 3 years ago, just on a whim, I decided to draw up my family tree. I was stuck almost immediately on my paternal grandfather. My Dad (now deceased) was entirely unapproachable on the subject, but he had 2 sisters. He was on good terms with one, but estranged from the other. We were never allowed to talk to that second sister because she was apparantly so horrible. Trouble is, the first sister was like him and would not discuss the family, so my only choice was to approach the second one.... even though I was risking being disowned for doing so. My whole world changed at that point.
Not only was she not horrible, she was WONDERFUL. She was thrilled to hear from me and shared openly. She inspired me beyond all belief and I am eternally grateful to her for that. She is 82 years old and I regret all those lost years. But it is what it is and at least we can carry on from here with love instead of resentment and maybe heal some of those hurts. I guess you could say I am now obsessed with genealogy, making it practically my full time job. I think what drives me is that need for connectedness. I have come to believe that I am part of something much bigger and I finally feel "a part of". I've had some of those woo-woo moments that you talked about last night and those are very cool. I absolutely love having made contact with previously unknown relatives and especially being able to share things with others that they did not know before. And have put people together that otherwise may never have found each other, or even known of their existence.
There was one defining moment, which may sound like nothing, but it impacted me. My grandfather emigrated from Scotland to Canada. He was following his sweetheart who had emigrated the year before. They married, had children and when the Great Depression hit he had to travel to the other side of the country for work. For various reasons, they never reunited. Once he landed work he sent for her and the children, but her family interfered and prevented her from going. Very sad. She always kept his picture beside her bed until her dying day some 70 years later. It breaks my heart to even tell this story. But the haunting question is... whatever happened to him? I have really tried hard to find him, but so far to no avail. I did trace him to a town in 1935 and had the strangest sensation when I first saw his name on the printed page of the City Directory. Nothing earth shattering. Just a phone book. But it was him. He was real. I felt a connectedness I had never felt before. Was weird.
I'm still searching for him and will not give up. I don't know what kind of man he was. I like to believe he was good, even though he had a brother who was very much NOT good. My Dad and his one sister hated their father their entire lives because they believe he abandoned the family, but I don't think they had all the facts. I think they robbed themselves by not trying to learn and understand why their parents did what they did. They preferred to carry the hurt. So... because the trail on grandfather went cold quite quickly, I turned my attention to his wife's family and have mapped out quite a large tree. Details have come much more easily and I've made many contacts. Here is where I'm finding more than just the facts. I'm learning of behaviours and personality traits and seeing very clear patterns. It really explains so much of how and why my family (and it's branches) is the way it is. It allows me to have more compassion.
And physical traits.... there's a whole 'nother fun subject. My grandmother was from Scotland but her ancestors were from Ireland. Her surname is rare, so I've been making a one-name study of it and tracing everyone I find with that name. I have mapped 3 major branches and traced them all back to the same place and time. I just can't prove the link, but there have been tip offs. Like pictures of 2 men, each from a different branch. They look so much alike they could be brothers. Another story is I found a second or third cousin recently and he sent me a picture of the GG-grandparents we share. It took my breath away to see that GGGF and my nephew are spitting images of each other.
This whole subject is awesome, awesome, awesome! I would love to publish my findings some day, to pass down to future generations. I often sit and think what life was like for my various ancestors and picture myself standing beside them in their time. I also wonder what they would think about how hard I'm working to learn about them. What would they have thought about someone being so interested in them as they were just living their ordinary lives. Will someone in the future be this interested in me and what I am doing today in MY ordinary life?
Anyways, I've written much more than I intended to. I just wanted to thank you for the webinar and confirming that I'm not the only one who approaches my research with these same thoughts and intentions. I don't even know if I've adequately articulated what I am trying to say to you, but .... thanks.
Jo-Ann (in BC, Canada)
Hi Janet,
I attended your webinar last night (am the one who's husband's father was one of 22 children... he's also Swedish). I've attended probably a dozen different webinars over the past year and most have been very good, but yours was different. I've not felt compelled to contact a presenter afterwards, but this time I have to. Your talk touched me like none of the others have.
I come from a very dysfunctional family, with alcoholism, drug addiction, sadism and lots of irrational (and unsavory) behaviours. Thusly, there was never any closeness and no one ever talked about family history. I am 56 years old and about 3 years ago, just on a whim, I decided to draw up my family tree. I was stuck almost immediately on my paternal grandfather. My Dad (now deceased) was entirely unapproachable on the subject, but he had 2 sisters. He was on good terms with one, but estranged from the other. We were never allowed to talk to that second sister because she was apparantly so horrible. Trouble is, the first sister was like him and would not discuss the family, so my only choice was to approach the second one.... even though I was risking being disowned for doing so. My whole world changed at that point.
Not only was she not horrible, she was WONDERFUL. She was thrilled to hear from me and shared openly. She inspired me beyond all belief and I am eternally grateful to her for that. She is 82 years old and I regret all those lost years. But it is what it is and at least we can carry on from here with love instead of resentment and maybe heal some of those hurts. I guess you could say I am now obsessed with genealogy, making it practically my full time job. I think what drives me is that need for connectedness. I have come to believe that I am part of something much bigger and I finally feel "a part of". I've had some of those woo-woo moments that you talked about last night and those are very cool. I absolutely love having made contact with previously unknown relatives and especially being able to share things with others that they did not know before. And have put people together that otherwise may never have found each other, or even known of their existence.
There was one defining moment, which may sound like nothing, but it impacted me. My grandfather emigrated from Scotland to Canada. He was following his sweetheart who had emigrated the year before. They married, had children and when the Great Depression hit he had to travel to the other side of the country for work. For various reasons, they never reunited. Once he landed work he sent for her and the children, but her family interfered and prevented her from going. Very sad. She always kept his picture beside her bed until her dying day some 70 years later. It breaks my heart to even tell this story. But the haunting question is... whatever happened to him? I have really tried hard to find him, but so far to no avail. I did trace him to a town in 1935 and had the strangest sensation when I first saw his name on the printed page of the City Directory. Nothing earth shattering. Just a phone book. But it was him. He was real. I felt a connectedness I had never felt before. Was weird.
I'm still searching for him and will not give up. I don't know what kind of man he was. I like to believe he was good, even though he had a brother who was very much NOT good. My Dad and his one sister hated their father their entire lives because they believe he abandoned the family, but I don't think they had all the facts. I think they robbed themselves by not trying to learn and understand why their parents did what they did. They preferred to carry the hurt. So... because the trail on grandfather went cold quite quickly, I turned my attention to his wife's family and have mapped out quite a large tree. Details have come much more easily and I've made many contacts. Here is where I'm finding more than just the facts. I'm learning of behaviours and personality traits and seeing very clear patterns. It really explains so much of how and why my family (and it's branches) is the way it is. It allows me to have more compassion.
And physical traits.... there's a whole 'nother fun subject. My grandmother was from Scotland but her ancestors were from Ireland. Her surname is rare, so I've been making a one-name study of it and tracing everyone I find with that name. I have mapped 3 major branches and traced them all back to the same place and time. I just can't prove the link, but there have been tip offs. Like pictures of 2 men, each from a different branch. They look so much alike they could be brothers. Another story is I found a second or third cousin recently and he sent me a picture of the GG-grandparents we share. It took my breath away to see that GGGF and my nephew are spitting images of each other.
This whole subject is awesome, awesome, awesome! I would love to publish my findings some day, to pass down to future generations. I often sit and think what life was like for my various ancestors and picture myself standing beside them in their time. I also wonder what they would think about how hard I'm working to learn about them. What would they have thought about someone being so interested in them as they were just living their ordinary lives. Will someone in the future be this interested in me and what I am doing today in MY ordinary life?
Anyways, I've written much more than I intended to. I just wanted to thank you for the webinar and confirming that I'm not the only one who approaches my research with these same thoughts and intentions. I don't even know if I've adequately articulated what I am trying to say to you, but .... thanks.
Jo-Ann (in BC, Canada)
Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Trefusis part 6--The Archives (And she scores!)
So just outside of Taunton, between the city there and our little town of Bradford on Tone lies the beautiful new Somerset Heritage Centre where the archives for Somerset are held. I had no idea what a huge find I was going to make there.In the name of God Amen. I John Carpenter of Bradford in the County of Somerset Yeoman, being weak of body but of sound and perfect mind and memory, thanks be given to almighty God for the same do make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following (That is to Say), I recommend my soul into the hands of the Almighty God and my body I commit to the earth to be decently interred according to the discretion of my executor herein after named, and as for such worldly estate as it has pleased God to bestow upon me I go give and bequeath the same in manner following Item I do give desire and bequeath unto my dear and loving wife Sarah the sum of one hundred and twenty pounds lawful money of Great Britain to be paid unto her by my executor within six months next after my decease but my will is that if in law my said wife shall happen to intermarry then I do will order and direct that twenty pounds part of my said wife's legacy shall be paid unto my daughter Joan. If she marries by the approbation of my said wife, otherwise to be equally divided amongst my children then living. Item I do give desire and bequeath unto my daughter Joan the sum of three score pounds of the lawful money to be paid unto her by my executor within twelve months next after she shall attain unto the age of one and twenty years my executor paying her interest for the same at the rate of five percent. But if in case my said daughter shall happen to die within that age and unmarried then I do will and desire that her legacy shall be equally divided amongst the rest of my children then living. Item I do give desire and bequeath unto my son William the sum of twenty pounds of lawful money of Great Britain to be paid unto him by my executor within six months next after my death. Item I do give desire bequeath unto my son William the sum of one hundred pounds lawful money of Great Britain to be paid unto him by my son Thomas Carpenter out of the lands herein after given unto him. The legacy to keep aid within six months next after my death. Item I do give desire and bequeath unto my son Thomas Carpenter and his Heirs forever all those my several ?? of land meadow and pasture herein after mentioned that is to say all that close of arable land or pasture ground called Furlongs containing by estimation four acres, once meadow called Moor Mead containing by estimation Two Acres, One acre of meadow lying in Bradford Mon Ane Close of pasture of ground called Harlade?? containing one acre all situated in Bradford aforesaid and late in the tenure of John Morris to be by him the said Thomas Carpenter and his Heirs held and enjoyed as Chief Lord of the Fee and Inheritance thereof. Provided always and I do hereby charge the Lands aforementioned with the payment of the sum of One Hundred Pounds so as aforesaid given unto my said son William. Item I do further give unto my wife the sum of Forty Shillings lawful money yearly and every year to be paid unto her by my executor by quarterly payments in equal portions during so long time as she shall keep herself in my name unmarried and no longer. Item I do further give unto my said son Thomas all such further to the estate as I have or may claim to have in the several Closer?? of Land above mentioned subject to the Legacy so as aforesaid charged thereon. Item I do give desire and bequeath unto my son Robert Carpenter the Mepuage?? a dwelling and house and tenement in which I now live for and during all such term and estate as I have therein. And I likewise give unto him all the rest and residue of my goods, chattler rights and credits not herein otherwise given and bequeathed and I do make constitute and appoint my said son Robert Carpenter to be full and whole executor of this my last will and testament revoking all former wills by me at anytime here before made. In ?? whereof I have here unto this my last will and testament set my hand and seal this two twentieth day of August in the eighth year of the reign of our sovereign Lord George by the grace of God King of Great Britain. Anno Dom 1721 John Carpenter. Sealed published and declared by said John Carpenter to be his last will and at his request and in his presence now subscribed our names as witnesses therein several words interlined at these several places. Henry Cornish, William Carpenter.
1721!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the name of God Amen. I Thomas Carpenter of Bradford in the County of Somerset Yeoman being Sick of and weak of Body but of sound and perfect mind and memory, called to mind their mortality of my Flesh and willing to settle what it hath pleased God to bestow upon me in this world do make and ordain this my last will and Testament in manner and form following--thats to say I will that my Debts and Funeral finances be first satisfied and paid. Item I give and desire and bequeath unto my four sons--Nicholas Carpenter, John Carpenter, Thomas Carpenter and my son unbaptized (Intended and deigned to be called and named Robert Carpenter) all that my ?? and tenement of Land called Morris her lying and being in Bradford aforesaid containing by estimation thirteen acres more ?? and immediately after my dearly beloved wife Jane Carpenter decree forever to be equally divided between them share and share alike but subject and chargeable with and for the payment of forty pounds as herein after is given bequeathed (that is to say) item I give and bequeath unto my daughter Betty Carpenter the sum of forty pounds of lawful British money to be paid her in six months after my Dearly beloved wife's decease and I hereby charge my said Mepreage and tenement of Land called Morris her with and for the payment thereof. Item I give and bequeath all my gold rings and silverplate to all my children to be equally divided between them share and share alike. Item all the rest ?? and remainder of my goods and ?? rights and credits whatsoever not herein before given and bequeathed after my said debts and funeral expenses are satisfied and paid I give and bequeath the same unto my dearly beloved wife Jane Carpenter, my brother in law Samuel Warre, my brother in law Nicholas Rugg and my Cousin John Carpenter of Breedley in the County of Devon Yeoman whom I hereby make joint executors and executive. In trust for the only sole use and benefit of all my children during their several minorities. In witness whereof I have hereunto this my last will and Testament set my hand and seal this sixth day of January one Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty three. Thomas Carpenter (seal) sealed published pronounced and declared by the testator Thomas Carpenter as and last will and testament in the presence of John Coran, John Coran Jr. Mary Carpenter
1753!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then further into the bundle I found several of these bills of sale where Jane and her children sold off parts of the land. They were beautiful huge documents with all of their signatures and wax seals.
The signature of my 7th great-Grandfather John Carpenter, Jane and Thomas' son.
Trefusis Part 5 -- Bradford on Tone
And then we were met with this:
The town is beautiful.
And then we headed to the White Horse Inn for a late lunch. We had heard from the proprietor of the hotel in Taunton that the White Horse in was a nice pub. And we found it to be just that. The service was attentive and the food delicious. I can't wait to take the family back. They'll love the proper English Sticky Toffee Pudding.
Tomorrow I'll tell you about our Greatest Find on our ancestor hunt. Stay tuned.
Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Trefusis Part 4--The Farm
Notwithstanding driving on the left side of the road, notwithstanding working with a car unlike anything I'd ever driven, notwithstanding dealing with a
This really is the story of the value of investing your
children in their family history. I've been enthralled with this place since I was a little girl. Only because of those years that I wondered about this place did I have the curiosity to find this place and feel out more of my family history along this line. This picture, taken in 1975 shows the descendants of Alvin, my grandfather, son of Joseph Hatten Carpenter. I'm there in the front--oldest grandchild with the purple shorts and white shirt. This picture was taken about the time my grandfather was writing his book about his father. In the picture you can see the sign Grandpa had posted above the door to his house. It
read "Trefusis" to honor his own ancestral home. Grandpa had had the sign made, because his father had a similar sign hanging over the house where my Grandfather had grown up in honor of his ancestors. You can see a close up of the picture here. Every time I entered my Grandparent's home, I was reminded of this magical place where we had come from.I'm not sure where my Grandfather's sign ended up, but several years ago, my sister created a similar sign for my father and for herself. So there have been
4 generations of Carpenters in the US with a Trefusis sign on their homes, harking back to this place, just outside of Bradford on Tone where are ancestors are from.So probably the most fantastic part of my trip to Great Britain was to get a picture of myself next to the "real" Trefusis sign, along the road at the entrance to the farm. I'm fully aware that this would seem a simple picture to most people, but for me it is just hard to put into words. It is something tugging clear back in the back of my heart. Something really exciting and fulfilling. It was as if several generations were conspiring to pull me back there and I had finally been able to surrender to their wishes.
I don't think I was hoping to be invited in for tea, in fact I think I would have been quite uncomfortable imposing on him in any way, shape or form, but I didn't expect someone to be quite so opposed to our presence. Perhaps he felt threatened in some way, I don't know. But I was disappointed to find someone who couldn't be polite and gracious. Oh well. It was still thrilling to be there. He couldn't have put a damper on that no matter what his reaction.
So, despite the farmer, I was thrilled to be able to walk the same roads, and be in the same town that my ancestors inhabited. It is a gorgeous area and I can see why the draw back is so strong. I'll tell you about the town and the beautiful church where so many of my ancestors were married in my next post.
Sunday, April 8, 2012
Indexing the 1940 census
Janet Few--Harnessing the Facebook Generation--a great lecture at WDYTYAL
I had the opportunity to catch a class by Janet Few at Who Do You Think You Are Live 2012. Her title was "Harnessing the Facebook Generation" so you know I had to check that one out. I learned a lot from her perspective.
She geared her remarks to people who were concerned about the future of their family history research. Janet suggested that getting younger people involved were crucial to ensuring the future of your research. Genealogists need to be concerned about making the hobby attractive to the next generation. She conducted a quick survey at the Devon Family History Society stand at the conference on Friday. They asked Who Do You Think You Are Live attendees whether or not they were worried about what would happen to their research ? Two thirds of the people said that, yes, they were concerned that someone would care about it after they were gone. Genealogists should be really concerned about getting the younger generation involved.
Janet was absolutely right when she stated that we need to be asking ourselves why they are not interested. I think Americans are a lot like the British in saying they have other commitments. It was interesting in the difference between the British and American focus on the archives rather than the Internet. In that way I think Americans may have the advantage in attracting the next generation because we are so focused on the Internet rather than going to an archive. I thought it was amusing that she felt one of the excuses young people might use was that visiting the archives was expensive. It is so much less expensive there than it is for an American to travel to visit an archive, especially archive abroad. Perhaps that is an excuse that Americans can use even when they are older.
I found it very refreshing to hear her assert that if they are interested enough they will find the time and money. She is right. We need to focus on making sure they know how fun and interesting it is, and not worry about the particulars. They will figure the particulars out if they are interested. We just have to make it look exciting.
As I went looking for information about involving children in family history throughout this conference I could see she has an uphill battle in England making the genealogists interested in bringing in the next generation. I found responses such as "I was told as a child to be seen and not heard, so I was never allowed to ask questions about my family history," or "We can't very well have children involved in something as complicated as this.". One magazine editor told me that they hadn't published anything about getting children involved because they didn't believe that interested their readers. One of the major concerns that Janet was facing in her audience was, "Does it matter?". To that lack of concern, Janet asked, "Will the gap be too wide when they get interested later?" I had never thought about it this way, but she is absolutely right that when we don't involve the next generation, we are missing the opportunity to bridge that gap together. We need to involve them now so that it won't be so hard for them when they become interested as they become older. She also asserted that we need the tech generation to help us preserve our history. We need them as much as they need us. But we have to present it in a way that is interesting. They aren't interested in doing genealogy the way we do it.
I loved her ideas about the Facebook generation being educated differently and that the way they get info is different than the way older people access information. To attract young genealogists we need to look at the way they access information. I agree with her that they go straight to the Internet and then only sometimes do they ever get to books. I'm not sure that I agree that they are more likely to look for name in Facebook than in google, but she very well may be right. Janet talked about the Braund Family Group on Facebook. She noted that there are 200 members of the society in real life, and 200 members on facebook, but only 40 of the actual members are members on facebook--thus the facebook group attracted 160 people to their cause. Of those, she estimated that 108 are estimated to be under 30 years old. She spoke of her experiences as a young family historian. She said when she joined the Braund One Name Society, at the age of 30 she was one of 4 young members and she was amused to find that 24 years later she was still one of the youngest members. She was excited to have the society on Facebook, and felt that this was the place where most young people would go to search for information about their family. She feels that Facebook is the best way to talk to youth. Though social networking isn't a substitute for a mailing list or blog, she also noted that a local journalist was following them on twitter, yea--free publicity. But does it really help your research? For youth, a facebook group is a great place to ask questions. It is also a great place to share photos and info.
Janet had some great examples of getting younger people involved with their family history. The first, is a children's website put together by the Devon Family History Society, the Acorn Club. She said you need to ask young people how to develop a website for them. She also showed off Captainjamesbraund.wordpress.com where a doll goes from member of the family to member of the family and writes letters on the blog. Janet also recommended the Horrible Histories TV show on the BBC. We had a great time watching some of the clips on youtube. My favorite is the Tudor Diet Plan. Like I've said here too, you need to do it in a youthful way. If kids were attracted to the way we do genealogy, we'd already have way too many children interested. So we have to rethink. Janet had some great ideas.
Janet's handout can be found at http://www.sog.org.uk/events/pdf/2012-Show-Handouts/WDYTYA-20120226-Harnessing-The-Facebook-Generation.pdf You can bet I'm following her on facebook. You should too.
She geared her remarks to people who were concerned about the future of their family history research. Janet suggested that getting younger people involved were crucial to ensuring the future of your research. Genealogists need to be concerned about making the hobby attractive to the next generation. She conducted a quick survey at the Devon Family History Society stand at the conference on Friday. They asked Who Do You Think You Are Live attendees whether or not they were worried about what would happen to their research ? Two thirds of the people said that, yes, they were concerned that someone would care about it after they were gone. Genealogists should be really concerned about getting the younger generation involved.
Janet was absolutely right when she stated that we need to be asking ourselves why they are not interested. I think Americans are a lot like the British in saying they have other commitments. It was interesting in the difference between the British and American focus on the archives rather than the Internet. In that way I think Americans may have the advantage in attracting the next generation because we are so focused on the Internet rather than going to an archive. I thought it was amusing that she felt one of the excuses young people might use was that visiting the archives was expensive. It is so much less expensive there than it is for an American to travel to visit an archive, especially archive abroad. Perhaps that is an excuse that Americans can use even when they are older.
I found it very refreshing to hear her assert that if they are interested enough they will find the time and money. She is right. We need to focus on making sure they know how fun and interesting it is, and not worry about the particulars. They will figure the particulars out if they are interested. We just have to make it look exciting.
As I went looking for information about involving children in family history throughout this conference I could see she has an uphill battle in England making the genealogists interested in bringing in the next generation. I found responses such as "I was told as a child to be seen and not heard, so I was never allowed to ask questions about my family history," or "We can't very well have children involved in something as complicated as this.". One magazine editor told me that they hadn't published anything about getting children involved because they didn't believe that interested their readers. One of the major concerns that Janet was facing in her audience was, "Does it matter?". To that lack of concern, Janet asked, "Will the gap be too wide when they get interested later?" I had never thought about it this way, but she is absolutely right that when we don't involve the next generation, we are missing the opportunity to bridge that gap together. We need to involve them now so that it won't be so hard for them when they become interested as they become older. She also asserted that we need the tech generation to help us preserve our history. We need them as much as they need us. But we have to present it in a way that is interesting. They aren't interested in doing genealogy the way we do it.
I loved her ideas about the Facebook generation being educated differently and that the way they get info is different than the way older people access information. To attract young genealogists we need to look at the way they access information. I agree with her that they go straight to the Internet and then only sometimes do they ever get to books. I'm not sure that I agree that they are more likely to look for name in Facebook than in google, but she very well may be right. Janet talked about the Braund Family Group on Facebook. She noted that there are 200 members of the society in real life, and 200 members on facebook, but only 40 of the actual members are members on facebook--thus the facebook group attracted 160 people to their cause. Of those, she estimated that 108 are estimated to be under 30 years old. She spoke of her experiences as a young family historian. She said when she joined the Braund One Name Society, at the age of 30 she was one of 4 young members and she was amused to find that 24 years later she was still one of the youngest members. She was excited to have the society on Facebook, and felt that this was the place where most young people would go to search for information about their family. She feels that Facebook is the best way to talk to youth. Though social networking isn't a substitute for a mailing list or blog, she also noted that a local journalist was following them on twitter, yea--free publicity. But does it really help your research? For youth, a facebook group is a great place to ask questions. It is also a great place to share photos and info.
Janet had some great examples of getting younger people involved with their family history. The first, is a children's website put together by the Devon Family History Society, the Acorn Club. She said you need to ask young people how to develop a website for them. She also showed off Captainjamesbraund.wordpress.com where a doll goes from member of the family to member of the family and writes letters on the blog. Janet also recommended the Horrible Histories TV show on the BBC. We had a great time watching some of the clips on youtube. My favorite is the Tudor Diet Plan. Like I've said here too, you need to do it in a youthful way. If kids were attracted to the way we do genealogy, we'd already have way too many children interested. So we have to rethink. Janet had some great ideas.
Janet's handout can be found at http://www.sog.org.uk/events/pdf/2012-Show-Handouts/WDYTYA-20120226-Harnessing-The-Facebook-Generation.pdf You can bet I'm following her on facebook. You should too.
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Life was so sweet and easy when I was four.
Monday, March 12, 2012
WDYTYAL Marketing differences between England and America
I don't know that very many people will be interested in this like I am but I'm going to add this to my WDYTYAL analysis. I learned alot about how differently the consumers in America approach a "booth" at a genealogy conference vs. the way consumers in England approach a "stand." Perhaps any readers might glean something else here that we can learn about how to create a stronger genealogy community.
Broad Sweeping Generalizations Alert again:
The first thing we noticed was that very few people would take a flyer or sign up for our newsletter. We found this really different than American conferences. Like I said in the earlier post, in England they would look and analyze you, perhaps even pick up a flyer and read it, and then put it back down. In America I think we are in too big of a rush and everyone just wants to collect the contact information to be able to look at your website later. Perhaps it is a greater sense of environmentalism, or perhaps minimalism too because in America, two or three people in a group would each take a flyer, but a group in England would only take one to share. The question I was left with though is how do people remember what they saw at the show so that they can utilize these resources later?
Likewise, the British stands had very talkative displays, signs with paragraphs and paragraphs for you to read. In America I'd been taught that you have 3 seconds to catch their eye so you keep your display clean (which we're not terribly good at since we give the user so many options) and put the details down on the table or in the flyer. Again, it seemed I had a minute or two to catch a British person's eye. They would really stop and look. It was so refreshing. Perhaps I brought some of that calmness home and that is why I haven't been frantic to get these blog posts written immediately. Social Networking has given us Americans an even stronger sense of being hectic, so I've just been getting back to my British roots.
I thought it very interesting that there weren't many flyers or bowls of candy at the booths. In the States, we fill up big bowls of candy and hand out stacks of flyers. At WDYTYAL there were generally a few pieces of candy sitting on the table with the rest stashed behind a sign if there was candy at the stand. I generally think that candy doesn't attract a person to your booth for the right reasons, so it was interesting to see the differences there.
The biggest difference though was just in the way people interact with stand representatives. It was utterly fascinating. In America we go bounding up to people, all bright and smiley and engage them with what we are doing. If someone has to stand there for very long, they get impatient so when there are lots of people at the booth, you try to talk to a few people at a time, telling them to "let me know if you have any further questions." In the States, people will stand and soak it in a little, and then if they do want more information, they'll wait until you are free, but they expect to at least catch your eye quickly. If you were not to approach a consumer who came to the booth, you would be seen as standoffish and the American consumer would assume that you didn't want their business, or would be too hard to work with.
British consumers are the complete opposite. It seemed they don't want to be approached as much, they wanted to browse. And the people working the stands wouldn't talk to the consumer unless they were talked to. It was almost as if the person working at the stand was there as a servant--let me be at your beck and call. They stand at attention, quietly waiting, in case you need anything. In fact, when we looked away to another customer, or said "let me know if you have any questions," I think they were put off and would leave. It was as if I was a servant in an episode of Downton Abbey, or perhaps more closely, one of the shop girls in the Britcom Are You Being Served. The "shop keepers" were very attentive and would literally stand there for 5 minutes or more not saying anything. After a long while, at the most, they would say "Are you ok there?"
Well if you know Erin and I, you know that went against every grain of our bouncy, smiley selves. I felt like I was hovering to stand quietly at attention. It was against everything I naturally do. So we were in for a bit of a culture shock that way and found it a fun challenge to try to adjust. One time it was quite amusing, while talking to Dick Eastman, a customer came up, and in his generous way as he always does, Dick stood back so that I could attend to the other person. When I didn't say anything to the customer, but rather stood there, and then after a few minutes asked "Are you ok there?", I think Dick thought I was being rude. He wandered off so that I could be more attentive and I never had another chance to talk to him. I'm sure we'll have a good laugh next time I see him.
I'm sure there were lots of other things that were different, the use of color, the constructed stands (one conference organizer I talked to who had done shows in the States said she thought Pipe and Drape was strange :) I think it was nice to have a real wall to hang things on), the proper British spelling, and many other subtleties. I had several people tell us that we would be successful just because we were American. I'm not so sure. I got the impression that younger people loved the Americans more than the older people do.
I've traveled to most every continent on the earth, and we have customers from every continent (except Antartica :)) I love British TV, we've all listened to British music, of course British fashion is very influential here, etc, etc, I didn't expect our cultures and especially marketing to be so different. But with some further study I think we've generally got it figured out. The jury is still out, and the orders are still coming in but I think we'll be going back to WDYTYAL but with a whole different approach. It was a great experience and really exciting to get to try out something new. The world isn't as small as we had thought and that makes it all the more fun doesn't it?
Broad Sweeping Generalizations Alert again:
The first thing we noticed was that very few people would take a flyer or sign up for our newsletter. We found this really different than American conferences. Like I said in the earlier post, in England they would look and analyze you, perhaps even pick up a flyer and read it, and then put it back down. In America I think we are in too big of a rush and everyone just wants to collect the contact information to be able to look at your website later. Perhaps it is a greater sense of environmentalism, or perhaps minimalism too because in America, two or three people in a group would each take a flyer, but a group in England would only take one to share. The question I was left with though is how do people remember what they saw at the show so that they can utilize these resources later?
Likewise, the British stands had very talkative displays, signs with paragraphs and paragraphs for you to read. In America I'd been taught that you have 3 seconds to catch their eye so you keep your display clean (which we're not terribly good at since we give the user so many options) and put the details down on the table or in the flyer. Again, it seemed I had a minute or two to catch a British person's eye. They would really stop and look. It was so refreshing. Perhaps I brought some of that calmness home and that is why I haven't been frantic to get these blog posts written immediately. Social Networking has given us Americans an even stronger sense of being hectic, so I've just been getting back to my British roots.
I thought it very interesting that there weren't many flyers or bowls of candy at the booths. In the States, we fill up big bowls of candy and hand out stacks of flyers. At WDYTYAL there were generally a few pieces of candy sitting on the table with the rest stashed behind a sign if there was candy at the stand. I generally think that candy doesn't attract a person to your booth for the right reasons, so it was interesting to see the differences there.
The biggest difference though was just in the way people interact with stand representatives. It was utterly fascinating. In America we go bounding up to people, all bright and smiley and engage them with what we are doing. If someone has to stand there for very long, they get impatient so when there are lots of people at the booth, you try to talk to a few people at a time, telling them to "let me know if you have any further questions." In the States, people will stand and soak it in a little, and then if they do want more information, they'll wait until you are free, but they expect to at least catch your eye quickly. If you were not to approach a consumer who came to the booth, you would be seen as standoffish and the American consumer would assume that you didn't want their business, or would be too hard to work with.
British consumers are the complete opposite. It seemed they don't want to be approached as much, they wanted to browse. And the people working the stands wouldn't talk to the consumer unless they were talked to. It was almost as if the person working at the stand was there as a servant--let me be at your beck and call. They stand at attention, quietly waiting, in case you need anything. In fact, when we looked away to another customer, or said "let me know if you have any questions," I think they were put off and would leave. It was as if I was a servant in an episode of Downton Abbey, or perhaps more closely, one of the shop girls in the Britcom Are You Being Served. The "shop keepers" were very attentive and would literally stand there for 5 minutes or more not saying anything. After a long while, at the most, they would say "Are you ok there?"
Well if you know Erin and I, you know that went against every grain of our bouncy, smiley selves. I felt like I was hovering to stand quietly at attention. It was against everything I naturally do. So we were in for a bit of a culture shock that way and found it a fun challenge to try to adjust. One time it was quite amusing, while talking to Dick Eastman, a customer came up, and in his generous way as he always does, Dick stood back so that I could attend to the other person. When I didn't say anything to the customer, but rather stood there, and then after a few minutes asked "Are you ok there?", I think Dick thought I was being rude. He wandered off so that I could be more attentive and I never had another chance to talk to him. I'm sure we'll have a good laugh next time I see him.
I'm sure there were lots of other things that were different, the use of color, the constructed stands (one conference organizer I talked to who had done shows in the States said she thought Pipe and Drape was strange :) I think it was nice to have a real wall to hang things on), the proper British spelling, and many other subtleties. I had several people tell us that we would be successful just because we were American. I'm not so sure. I got the impression that younger people loved the Americans more than the older people do.
I've traveled to most every continent on the earth, and we have customers from every continent (except Antartica :)) I love British TV, we've all listened to British music, of course British fashion is very influential here, etc, etc, I didn't expect our cultures and especially marketing to be so different. But with some further study I think we've generally got it figured out. The jury is still out, and the orders are still coming in but I think we'll be going back to WDYTYAL but with a whole different approach. It was a great experience and really exciting to get to try out something new. The world isn't as small as we had thought and that makes it all the more fun doesn't it?
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